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Ive never seen someone demand a face wash before quite like xiao8
我从来没见过有人像面八一样要求别人这么洗脸。
Play like Ceb, go wash your face. Truesight delivers everytime
像Ceb一样玩『指TI9 kky名场面』，去洗你的脸。真视界每次都能提供梗。
Okay i wash my face but i need linken.
好，我去洗脸，但是得给我套林肯。
Xiao8 can never work with Ana i guess
面八肯定不能和Ana一队我猜『Ana经常打哈欠，人看起来困困的』『但是Ana眼睛最起码是睁着的鸭Q鳖』
that aside, I thought xiao8 coach real good this series.
除此之外，我觉得面八在整个系列赛都是个好教练。
You've also become a God of Fireworks.
你也事烟火神
Probably the best performance ever of a player who did not win the tournament in the end. Sudden collapse of LGD's mental state in game 5 was really sad to watch. They were in a very good position to win it all.
| Best player not to win TI yet for sure, every single carry player wish they are top 3 in the world for 5 years.
可能是最终没有赢得比赛的选手的最佳表现。LGD在第五场比赛中精神状态的突然崩溃让人看了非常难过。他们本来处于一个非常好的位置来赢得一切。
| 肯定有最好的选手没有赢得TI，每一个carry都希望他们在5年内成为世界前三名。
The crazy thing is, both teams had the fortitude to go in, but I feel like both teams' mental state was shot to shit by the start of game 5.
疯狂的是，两个队伍都有坚忍不拔的精神，但我觉得他们的精神状态在第五场比赛开始时都被打得一塌糊涂。
feel bad for ame's tiny
为AME的小小感到难过。
Thank you Valve for an amazingly produced True Sight
I am so glad that Valve is still putting really good effort into True Sight. With the backlash that they have been getting for the state Dota is in recently, I want to appreciate them for doing justice to this. It was amazing to watch!
谢谢V社制作了一个棒呆了的真视界。
我很高兴，Valve仍对真视界投入真正的努力。由于他们最近对Dota的一些回应，我想感谢他们在这方面的公正。这真是令人惊讶的一幕!
This True Sight hightlighted the technical and strategy aspect of Dota. Ti8-9 was about mentality.
这次真视界着重讲了DOTA的技术和策略方面。TI8-TI9则是关于心态。
Valve, you've outdone yourself. That was one of the best True Sight's.
V社你已经超越了自己，这是最好的真视界。
I honestly found it lackluster. The animation were great but some teamfights were so important and we only got to hear the casters. No faces of players or their reaction.
| I think a lot of the energy of TI 8 & 9 truesight was missing, but I think that was mostly because of a lack of crowd. I went back and saw the previous true sight editions and having a real crowd makes a lot of difference! But this is totally not under Valve's control.
I do agree, maybe they could have shown the players more. But maybe the editors didn't find genuinely 'reactable' moments to focus on? But yeah I agree, I'd love to see more player reactions as well.
老实说我觉得有点乏善可陈。动画很好，但有些重要的团战，我们只能听到选手的声音。没有他们的脸和反应。
| 我觉得TI8 TI9的真视界曾有的那些能量没有了，但我认为这主要是因为没观众。我回去看了以前的真视界，有真正的人群就会有很大的不同。”但这完全不是V社能控制的。『确实，我也觉得这次没有之前那种情绪上的带动感。我还回复坛友说可能是因为毛语听不懂的原因，看着条回复感觉可能是因为少了观众的呼声和现场的画面』
我确实同意，也许他们可以更多给选手画面。但也许编辑没有找到真正的 "可反应 "时刻？不过，我同意，我也想看到更多的选手反应。『有一说一，我也想，痛苦面具和双手抱头莫多莫多』
Someone was chopping onions in the end
最后有人在切洋葱。
Good effort but the way it was made was very uninteresting. I was fast forwarding most of the scene and forced myself to finish the whole thing
| I did feel like this at parts as well, but maybe it was because it didn't have that strong of a fun storyline as, say, TI 8 or TI 9 truesight did? Not sure.
| I agree. Probably the storyline that they want to highlight is how both teams strategies their pick against each other.
做得很努力，但是做的方向太无聊了。我大部分时间都在快进，强迫自己看完了。
| 我在某些地方也有这种感觉，但也许是因为它没有那么强的有趣的故事情节『就像坛友说的，TI8戏剧性拉满了』，TI 8或TI 9真视界有吗？我不确定。
| 我同意。他们可能想强调的可能是两队如何在BP上进行策略。
Calaps『原文如此』 getting countered no more.
崩溃哥不再被针对。
15个林肯让我赢下TI11.
Cant win TI? Not enough Linken
没赢TI？林肯出得不够罢了。『鳖：？』
Win TI by doing this simple trick!
1 trick many pro dont want you to know
通过这个简单的技巧赢下TI！
一个许多职业选手都不想让你知道的技巧。
Animation from True Sight on a whole other level.
真视界的动画已经在另一个层面上了。
Yep, shattered the tiny. Just like they shattered lgds dream of winning TI
是的，他们粉碎了小小，就像他们粉碎了LGD赢下TI的梦想。
Saddest animation ever
史上最悲惨的动画。
Knowing what's gonna happen there in few months after this TI is just sad
知道了在TI几个月之后那里会发生什么，这真令人很难过。
基辅买房，不翻译了。
The english chat went wild when this popped up...I wonder what russian chat was like
| on twitch it was mixed 50/50 supporting either side comments.
Like ukraine <3 while the other one was glory to russia. Just spam about the war, chat was mostly focused on dota, spirit and lgd before that comment was made. Genuinely better behaved twitch chat than youtube chat
| I didn't see anything pro Russia on twitch iirc. YT was the other way around sadly.
| smh pretty sure most of the "gLoRy t0 RusSiA" comments are from edgy dumb kids
当这个画面出现的时候英语频道变得非常疯狂……我想知道俄语频道是什么样的。
| 老鼠台两边的支持率大概是五五开，一边是乌克兰加油，一边是荣耀属于你俄。就像关于战争的垃圾邮件。在这画面出现去前，聊天主要集中在dota、Spirit和LGD上。twitch的聊天比youtube好。
『你国聊天是啥样的，我有点好奇，完全没看』
| 我在twitch的聊天里没有看到任何支持俄罗斯的东西。可悲的是，YT的情况正好相反。
| 唉，我敢肯定，大多数 "gLoRy t0 RusSiA"的评论都是来自自以为是的傻小子。
之后就是很多表示自己很难过回复，不翻译了
Watching the Ti10 be like
watching anime trained me for this
Us weebs dont have such weakness
二次元笑嘻了。
Welcome to the rest of the world, Americans.
欢迎来到你球的其他地方，米国人。
『米国人好像确实不习惯看字幕』
Man it’s so heartwrenching seeing these guys celebrating, a mix of Russians and Ukrainians, knowing what will unfold only months later.
| The plans to buy a mansion near Kyiv and have your teammates move together to it...
| The most important thing is that they stuck together despite what happened. A bright spot in this otherwise horrible emergence of hate between two nations which used to be brothers before a mad dictator destroyed everything
| Stayed together and then won a major
| Just wondering: do Russians and Ukrainians in work/orgs get along like before the war? I know simple in CSGO wears Ukraine flag and yes his teammates probably don't approve of the invasion but it is a WAR with thousands of casualties between the 2 countries. Though TS performance still looks pretty good
哥们，看着这些乌克兰人和俄罗斯人在一起庆祝，知道几个月后发生什么真的很让人心碎。
| 准备在基辅买一座豪宅让队友搬到那和自己一起住……
| 最重要的是，尽管发生了这样的事情，他们还是坚持在一起。这是两国之间可怕的仇恨里的一个闪光点。在一个疯狂的独裁者摧毁一切之前，这两个国家曾经是兄弟。
| 坚守在一起，然后赢得Major
| 我想知道：俄罗斯人和乌克兰人在工作/团体中是否像战前那样相处？我知道在CSGO中，有一个人穿着乌克兰国旗。是的，他的队友可能不赞成入侵，但这是一场战争，两个国家之间有成千上万的伤亡。虽然TS的目前的表现看起来还是很不错的
After finishing it, the one thing that needs to happen when the next TI starts.
The very first damn thing. Is spirit comes out to the audience and gets their damn ovation from the crowd.
They deserve it.
| Up you go sir
在下一个TI开始时，第一件该死的事，是Spirit走出来，从观众那里得到他们该死的掌声。
他们应该得到它。
| 『好贴我顶』
Goddamn i hope Yatoro didnt end up buying that mansion in Kiev.. ;(
| Unfortunately, this is his house.
该死的，我希望Yatoro最终没有买下基辅的房子...;(
| 不幸的是，这就是他的家。
『视频是之前yatoro发的自己在Bucha——他是Bucha人——被俄罗斯人侵略后的家』
A vlog from LGD was uploaded a few days ago and they mentioned they will watch true sight together(XinQ said he will cry first lol) now I think they just finished watching as XinQ posted on Weibo - Torontotokyo’s brain is too good(guess that refers to him suggesting letting lgd pick tiny in game 5). And man Faith bian is such a great dude even losing the first thing came out from him is “they were the better team” but sadly this year is his last year in dota. Let’s go TS and LGD give us some more great dota this year again!!!
几天前LGD发了个vlog，他们提到他们会一起看真视界（XinQ说他会先哭，笑了），现在我想他们刚看完，因为XinQ在微博上发了：“脑东京脑子太好了”『谁转发下Q鳖原文是什么』（我猜那是指他建议让LGD在第五场比赛中选小小）。Faith bian是个很好的人，即使输了，他说的第一句话是 "他们是更好的队伍"『技不如人转义的转义了属于是』。但不幸的是，今年是他职业生涯的最后一年。TS和LGD加油！！！在今年再次为我们带来更多精彩的dota。
Ame's so talkative in this true sight.
| Haha can't remember if Ame said anything in the TI8 True Sight
| In Ti8 iirc he only said his bkb cooldown and that's it.
| He also said that his uncomfortable with Centaur xD
AME在这次真视界里看起来是如此健谈『哑巴治好了属于是』
| haha，我都不记得AME在TI8真视界说过啥话了。
| TI8我记得他只说过BKB冷却了之类的话。
| 他还说过人马不太舒服让他。
Ame: sounds good (at everything)
| he is like an anime character lmao
| Cant spell anime without Ame
AME：听起来不错（在每件事上）
| 他看起来就像是个动漫角色哈哈『看来颜值有目共睹』
| 没有“AME”就拼不出来冻鳗『文字游戏』
Wow, so it was TORONTOTOKYO who ultimately suggested leaving Tiny open in order to get Magnus, probably the decision that ended up winning Spirit the game. An actual fucking gigachad.
| That was very bold and I legit thought they will lose because of this, as rubick was in the pool. I really wonder how this game would have played out if LGD did not pick Lycan over Rubick that game.
哇，所以最后是脑东京建议放小小出来抢猛犸，可能是这个决定最终让Spirit赢得了比赛。他是真的fucking gigachad『就是那个雄性荷尔蒙拉满的肌肉猛男Virgin vs Chad meme』
『另外鞭哥在国外有个chad_bian的绰号，一部分原因是鞭哥健身视频流出（不许看😭😭😭），不过这也说明国外水友对鞭哥的评价非常高。这是个赞赏性十足的绰号』
| 这非常大胆，我认为他们甚至会因此而输掉比赛，因为Rubick也在选人池内。我真的很好奇，如果LGD在那场比赛中没有选择狼人而是拉比克，这场比赛会如何发展。『听鞭哥的可能真拿下了，至少比现在有机会』
之后是一大段关于狼人小小拉比克猛犸的讨论，太长就不搬运了。
What ever shit people said about xiao8, i think it's clear now he is a really good guy, almost like ceb with all that motivation and positivity. (xinQ does yawning in the booth XD)
| 100%
He is made out to be like some ruthless coach. Whether that's from Western fans just making it up, or misunderstanding 2nd hand from China, or maybe China does meme him like that
But he was great leader
不管人们怎么评价xiao8，我认为现在很清楚他是一个非常好的人，几乎就像ceb那样有动力和积极性。(XinQ在隔音室里打哈欠XD)
| 100%
他被形容成是一个无情的教练。不管是西方的观众编造出来的，还是来自中国的第二手误解，或者是中国确实对他有这样的印象。
但他是伟大的领袖
『无情的教练是之前面八有个梗，当LGD表现不好的时候面八会用鞭子抽他们。我不知道是什么东西怎么翻译成那样的……但是这个洗脸的画面应该是加深了这个meme』『接着是一堆洗脸和鞭子梗。』
I'm really rooting for Ame.
This year, bros.
| I'll be cheering for them this TI.
| I can feel the pain right there.
| Obviously I’ll be cheering for my bois in every game they play, but I need LGD to win this year. There genuinely isn’t a team that deserves it more after the last 2 years and it’ll be heartbreaking if Ame retires without an Aegis
| Yeah I'm OG all the way but LGD needs to win it this year. It's been a long time coming for them.
我真的很支持Ame，今年兄弟们。
| 我将在今年的TI为他们加油。
| 我可以感受到那的痛苦。『这个帖子的主题是在真视界里一幕引申到“每个dota玩家都有过，在睡觉前输掉了一场差点要赢了的比赛，躺在床上对自己说“如果这样做了，或者我们没有跳，或者我之前按下了 bkb 会怎样”之类』
| 显然，我会在他们的每场比赛中为他们欢呼，但我需要LGD在今年获胜。在过去的两年中，确实没有一支队伍更应该获得胜利，如果Ame在没有盾的情况下退役，那将是令人心碎的。
| 是的，我一直支持OG，但LGD需要在今年赢得比赛。对他们来说，这已经是一个很漫长的过程了。
The production level is incredible. I am also really fascinated they included the Russian casters alongside the English casters. It makes sense since the victors are CIS and this True Sight was more for them than it was for us.
I don't think it stands up to TI8 or TI9 Truesight simply due to the limitations and circumstances of the TI itself. No crowd makes the atmosphere significantly less exciting - there are no shots of the audience members in despair or cheering, nor can you hear any unique chanting. They have the fake crowd audio, but it does sound fake and ruins the experience slightly.
I also noticed they didn't include a lot of shots of the casters. I assume this was because the masks block their faces so there is little benefit in showing them casting.
The same applies to the end of the film. It felt like they really rushed the lifting of the aegis and the leaving of the stadium due to the ugly af masks everyone was wearing. You can't see the emotions on their face, the beaming smiles on Team Spirit or the faces of DESPAIR on LGD, so there was probably little worthwhile content for them to show. It just ended so abruptly.
Valve still made a great film, it's just a shame it was marred by all these awful restrictions.
制作水平令人难以置信。我也非常着迷，他们把俄罗斯的演员和英国的制作人放在一起。这是有道理的，因为胜利者是独联体国家，这个真知灼见对他们来说比对我们更重要。
我不认为它能与TI8或TI9的真视界相提并论，只是因为TI本身的局限性和环境。没有观众使气氛明显不那么激动人心，没有观众绝望或欢呼的镜头，也听不到任何独特的呼喊声。他们有假的人群音频，但听起来确实很假，稍微破坏了这种体验。
我还注意到他们没有包括很多选手的镜头。我想这是因为口罩挡住了他们的脸，所以展示他们的表情没有什么好处。
这同样适用于影片的结尾。由于每个人都戴着丑陋的口罩，感觉他们真的很匆忙地举盾并离开了体育场。你看不到他们脸上的情绪，看不到Team Spirit的灿烂笑容，也看不到LGD的失望表情，所以他们可能没有什么值得展示的内容。只是结束得太突然了。
Valve还是做了一部很好的电影，只是很遗憾被这些可怕的限制破坏。
『很同意』
It's fucking scary how accurate Miposhka and Xiao8 read each others' drafts man
TI-level dota is unreal
Miposhka和面八读对方的预案太准确了，真他妈吓人。
TI级别的dota真的虚幻。
Is Xiaobet a just random meme or do people actually think he's throwing the draft?
| After TI a significant portion of Cn DotA fans accused xiao8 of throwing but they weren’t taken seriously by most of the community, and LGD did an internal investigation and found no wrongdoing.
| People who gamble on esports don't tend to have the best critical thinking abilities.
| Chinese copium. they cannot believe that lgd lost fairly..
| after watching true sight, there's no way in hell xiao8 threw that last game. they literally agreed to all heroes in the game 5 draft. Every hero was a team call.
xiaobet只是一个随便的梗还是人们真的觉得他吃了。
| TI之后，相当一部分你国西恩DotA粉丝指责xiao8假赛，但他们并没有被社区的大多数人重视『我看你是真的不了解你国你圈啊』|，LGD做了内部调查，发现没有任何不当行为。
| 下菠菜的人往往都没有最好的批判性的思维。『不知道是在说面八有，所以面八不会下注，还是在说下菜的人很蠢，他们才会这么觉得』
| 中国的阿Q『copium的意思是用自我安慰麻痹自己，我觉得和阿Q一个意思，就这么翻译了，不过这个词没像阿Q那么重的讽刺和贬义』不相信LGD会输得很惨……
| 在看了真视界之后，面八不可能在最后一场比赛假赛。他们实际上同意了第五场比赛中的所有英雄。每个英雄都是团队决定的。『这下真团队决策了』
大概就这样吧，之后可能还会翻译点别的。
泥潭坛友也可以搬运些国内论坛的评论，我挺好奇风向会怎么变的，不过最好不要在只有大粪的粪坑里挑粪……
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